Cast, here is number TWO of five little conversations that will go towards your valuing the musical experience mark.
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Is the presence of deceit inevitable in human relationships? Explain with reference to the musical and to your personal experience.
The presence of deceit is inevitable in any human relationship. Many people believe that dodging and keeping the truth hidden is easier than having to tell it.
ReplyDeleteIn “Into the Woods,” the Wolf deceives Little Red into thinking that he’s her grandmother and in return, he gets a meal. If he straight out told Little Red, “I’m going to eat you,” as himself, he definitely wouldn’t had lured in Red. It’s also incredibly likely that Red would be wary of the wolf, and would avoid being eaten.
Personally, I’m guilty of deceiving people (every once in a while,) by doing little things... like texting people and saying “ I have to go to bed” when in reality I’m playing around on my phone.
Deceit is just a part of who we are as humans. Sometimes we use it to avoid hurting others feelings, and other times we just feel too afraid of admitting our wrongs.
I 100% agree Chelsea. I loved when you said "other times we just feel too afraid of admitting our wrongs". It completely captured my opinion on this topic, as i too beleive we use it as a way to protect us from all forms of hurt (pain, heartbreak, humiliation etc). Good job.
DeleteHi Chelsea,
DeleteThis is very well said. When you said "we use it to avoid hurting others feelings" that really clicked with me. I feel like in our society we are so nice that sometimes we lie to cover up how we really feel. I think that's an issue that we are currently facing in our day to day lives.
-Emma L.
I agreed when you stated that often we deceive people because it is much easier than telling the truth. I totally agree with that, once when I broke a glass that mattered to my mom I lied saying I had no idea where it had gone because it was much easier than just telling her the hard truth. On the other hand, sometimes lies can cause us to create even more intricate webs of deceit that become much more difficult to uphold. Using your example, staying on your phone longer in the evening could be problematic as now many social media platforms show when people are using them, causing you to have to avoid them.
Delete-Hannah R
Hey Chelsea, it’s Evan,
DeleteI liked how you said “dodging and keeping the truth hidden is easier than having to tell it” because it brings up the question of what’s really easier. I’d argue that even though the truth can be hard sometimes doesn’t mean lies are ever any easier to tell. Lies take much more effort to create and uphold, make people believe. I really liked the examples you gave from the musical and from real life. I’m also guilty of staying up after I’ve told someone I’m going to bed. Overall, great comment.
Hi Chelsea!
DeleteYour last statement "Deceit is just a part of who we are as humans. Sometimes we use it to avoid hurting others feelings, and other times we just feel too afraid of admitting our wrongs.", that really stood out for me. I love that you were able to sum up why humans are bound to be deceitful without losing meaning by making it too short. All in all, a fabulous comment :)
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DeleteHey guys its Lindsy,
ReplyDeletePersonally, i believe its in our nature to deceive those who we love. No matter if it's not telling them all about you, bending or breaking the truth, or just completely hiding something from your partner. I can almost guarantee you will be both giving and receiving deceit in any given relationship you're apart of.
Examples of this in the musical are:
-The witch hiding Rapunzel from her brother, and in turn not revealing Rapunzels name to the baker. Perspective is a major part of deceit, as for one person lying would make sense, as it benefits them. On the other hand, the positive outcome of ones deceit could result in negative for the other. As the witch got a daughter in a castle all to herself for countless years, yet the Baker was left to believe he was the last of his family.
-The occurrence in which the wold disguises himself as the grandmother to eat little red riding hood. Is an extreme example of toxic deceit, as it can sometimes work out for the better. Again, deceit depends on perspective. for the wolf it was a huge sucess as he got to eat Little Red Riding-hood. But for Little Red herself, the wolfs deceit resulted in her and her grandmother being eaten, which is not good for them.
In conclusion, deceit is apart of human nature, it is how we protect ourselves from hurt, and sometimes make our own lives better (without consideration on how it might affect others).
Hi Lindsay!
DeleteThe point you made declaring how “Perspective is a major part of deceit, ...” really made me think!
Everyone’s the hero of their own story, and deceit is a more than popular driving force behind story conflicts.
When it comes to characters getting what they want, some are willing to do ANYTHING.
After reading, you also made me ponder if deciet is okay in some circumstances.
(Ex. Cinderella hiding from the Prince, and the Baker’s wife redirecting the Prince knowing perfectly well where Cinderella is.
All in all, this was beautifully written, and I loved reading your own perspective of deceit!
Hi Lindsay!
DeleteI agree with your statement that deceit is “in our nature.” Even simply by omitting facts without noticing or intentionally, we’re constantly playing to our audience in what we say and reveal. The witch leaving out Rapunzels name was likely an intentional omittance if truth to be spiteful of the baker, but could equally have been to ‘protect’ Rapunzel from him, it’s all about perspective as you say.
-Hannah R
Hi Lindsy,
DeleteI really enjoyed reading this comment as it was very thought provoking. I had never thought about the real effects of the Witch's deceit on the baker before. You said "the Baker was left to believe he was the last of his family" I had never correlated that concept with the Witch's actions before. This part of the musical I believe is sending a message to think of how our actions will affect others. I agree that while deceit may have positive effects for us in that moment, it may force others to suffer our consequences.
-Emma L
Hi Lindsy,
DeleteI think that you got it exactly right when you said "its in our nature to deceive those who we love". The more we love someone, the more protective we are of them so i agree that we naturally lie to them. We don't want them to be hurt.
-Ryan
Hey Chelsea
DeleteI loved every bit of this comment! When you said "Deceit is just a part of who we are as humans. Sometimes we use it to avoid hurting others feelings, and other times we just feel too afraid of admitting our wrongs" I completely agreed with how you said that. It's true that some people are too afraid to say things that are true. It's all part of being people and dealing with these problems.
Good Job :)
-Bryn!
Hi Lindsy, I really liked what you said about blending the truth. It’s very often that we stretch the truth or blend it. I believe that stretching the truth is ok sometimes and I also agreed when you said that it is human nature to tell little lies. I believe it is inevitable to avoid it.
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ReplyDeleteWhen talking about deceit I believe that there are many reasons why people would want to deceit other people. The very concept of deceit is simply lie about an objective or topic towards someone. When people chose to lie about something they are most likely ashamed to admit their mistakes or because they believe it would make the other person feel better. People would deceive to protect themselves or others any time.
For me, I chose to lie either because I’m ashamed of some of my actions or because I don’t often think about the action the person is showing or when listening have no opinion on any subject at that. The idea of a lie is difficult to say. For the most part I spend most of the time hiding pain and spend time just enjoying the time but at times it would be to much.
Just a reminder Within the play In to the Woods I am going to be acting out the giant. When thinking about what the giant is saying there isn’t many if any places she has ever deceived anyone. She has been deceived by most of the characters within the play but no deception to my knowledge. Looking though the play it seems as if she hasn’t lied once. Although now that I am thinking about it I am curios. Did Jake steal the hen? If so than she hasn’t lied throughout the play. If not than she has overreacted. It seems that by being a different creature she would tell the truth more. We as humans would have either deceived or will eventually deceive someone.
Allen,
DeleteGreat point regarding the Giant being the only character that has not been deceitful. The play-write has done a good job of creating the conflict around the revenge that the Giant seeks because of the deceit that she has been subjected too. Then the characters dive into even more unethical behaviours by wanting to sacrifice anyone that they deem unfit, not needed, or replaceable. The deceit then becomes even darker, as it reveals how our characters are not the most moral beings to live beside.
Hi! This is Emma L,
ReplyDeleteI think deceit is inevitable in any human relationship, whether it is used to protect oneself or others or to veil one's intentions deceit is unavoidable.
In "Into the Woods", Cinderella is deceitful towards her prince, refusing to reveal her true identity for fear of rejection. For three consecutive nights, she returns to the ball and dances with the prince all while keeping her life outside of the ballroom a mystery. The beginning of their relationship is not based on truth and though, by and by, her identity is revealed and the prince is accepting of her, their relationship continues to be deceitful. The two royals feign happiness and satisfaction in their relationship whilst in reality, Cinderella doesn't have a sense of belonging amongst royalty and the prince isn't true to her and is pining after another princess. Ultimately, the deceitful nature of their relationship causes it's end and both are happier because of it.
In daily life the examples are less extreme than in "Into the Woods" but in daily conversations they are present. For example when a teacher asks if you're "almost done" your assignment and naturally you say yes even though it may not be true. Deceit is useful to us but it can be destructive as well. In order to have a healthy relationship with anyone, you cannot veil your intentions with lies and although you may deceive others about the little things, when it comes to the big aspects of our lives and our connections with others it's important to be open and honest. I believe this is why the relationship with Cinderella and the Prince came to such an abrupt end. Had they both been honest, they may have realized that their relationship wouldn't work but they may also have been able to work through it. Because they never talked about their issues, they had no ability to figure them out together.
The phrase “Deceit is useful to us but it can be destructive as well.” was truthfully worded.
DeleteWe as people don’t often realize our own moments of deceiving others, and in away, deceive ourselves from the destruction of it all.
In certain instances we like to “adapt” parts ourselves to be seen as someone completely different than who we are. Just like Cinderella when she attends the ball all fancy and all. In one of the “Midnight” songs, I believe she says something along the lines of never wanting a prince, and runs away from him making the prince believe she is royalty of sorts, when in reality she’s not. All in all, I guess deceit is like expectation verses reality in a way.
Hola, 'tis Tiernan!
DeleteI liked your analysis about deceit's effects on Cinderella and her Prince's relationship, and how it lead to its failure. I certainly agree about how the presence of deceit/lack of communication can ruin a relationship, romantic or otherwise (though this particular example was romantic).
I am curious, however, as to your thoughts on what qualifies an acceptable "little [thing]", both in a romantic relationship, and outside of one. Would it be acceptable to tell a lie to a friend about why you didn't agree go out with them on a particular day (i.e. citing a busy schedule, when in fact you'd just rather stay home)? Does that answer change with a romantic partner? After all, a lack of honesty can be destructive, and lying about why you stayed home is still dishonest, is it not?
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ReplyDeleteHi there it’s Hannah! In my opinion, deceit is a natural and inevitable part of human relationships. Is only to what degree we bring deceit to that decides whether the act of deceiving is wrong or not. A personal example would be when I’ve received a gift from a family member that I would never use, I still acted as though it was the perfect gift, to maintain happiness between us, because after all it’s the thought that counts. The wolf directly decieced little red, in order to harm her which is an example of when deceit is wrong and harmful. Whereas, when Cinderella found out her husband cheated with the bakers wife, she didn’t tell the baker, as he was already grieving her loss, and that information would’ve complicated that process exponentially. All in all, I believe deceit when used to maintain happiness and keep someone from hurting is acceptable, but when directly used to harm is unacceptable, and we have examples of both types throughout the show.
ReplyDeleteWhen you said "It's only to what degree we bring deceit to that decides whether the act of deceiving is wrong or not" that really summed up the way i think about it. I believe that there are in fact times where you have to lie to not hurt someone and that sometimes, telling the truth will hurt more than a lie. I also agree that a lot of the times, too big of a lie will hurt someone even more than the truth. All in all, that was very well stated.
DeleteBonjour, this is Tiernan!
DeleteI think your assertion that deceit is acceptable, "when used to maintain happiness and keep someone from hurting," to be very interesting, as I'm not entirely sure I agree, in the context of your second musical example (that being Cinderella not telling the Baker about his wife's infidelity). Withholding a fact of that gravity could possibly be even more hurtful than being told the truth in the first place, should the deception ever come to light.
After all, is it not a betrayal of someone's trust to withhold information of that gravity? Why is it *your* choice whether someone learns information, even if they may not like it; should it not be *their* choice of what to do with such information, even if it does hurt them?
Hey Hannah, it’s Evan,
DeleteI really liked your example of receiving a you would never use, and deceiving the person who gave it to you to protect their feelings. I have also done this, often when I’m offered food, I’ll eat it and pretend to enjoy it so as to no time insult the person who made it, even if I don’t like it. I agree that maintaining a relationship with someone is worth a white lie here and there. Excellent examples from the show, and a very well said response.
Hey Hannah, its Erin
DeleteI thought it was interesting when you said deceit was natural, I never really thought of it that way but now I the idea of deceit in a different way, I also like the example of how Cinderella didn't tell the baker about his wife to let he have happy thoughts of her. I really enjoyed reading this.
Hi Hannah,
DeleteI totally agree that sometimes deceit is necessary to avoid hurting somebody who you care about's feelings, and I loved how you used both the personal example of receiving a gift you may not use or like as well as the example from the musical, of Cinderella keeping the truth behind the Prince and the Baker's Wife's affair from the Baker as he had already felt hurt enough hearing she had died. I also loved how you differentiated between deceit aimed to help (like above) and deceit meant to harm, as in the situation between Little Red and the Wolf. These two types of deceit are extremely different and although the first may be inevitable, the second one is, and that is what is truly important, would you agree?
-Eve
Hey guys, it’s Ryan
ReplyDeleteI personally think that deceit is an inevitable part of any human relationship. We often deceive others without even being aware. An example of deception in “Into the Woods” is when the wolf lies to Little Red. He pretends that he’s her grandmother and in the end they both get eaten. This example of deceit is much different that the majority of lies we tell in our everyday lives. For the most part, we lie to each other without any malicious intent. We will often tell “white lies” to one another to make the other person feel better or to avoid confrontation. Deception truly becomes a problem when the person lying has the intention to hurt another person. For example, cheating on your partner or framing someone to get out of trouble. These are both extreme examples but the main difference is that there is a willingness to hurt the person being deceived. An example of deceit in my life is when I’m having a bad day, I try to hide it as much as possible. I don’t want to drag others down so I’ll still be nice and friendly to people. To conclude, I believe that deceit is in fact a normal part of any relationship however, because most of our lies happen without us noticing or to protect others’ feelings, it is usually not a big problem.
hey ryan,
Deleteyour text was very powerful and when you said “We will often tell “white lies” to one another to make the other person feel better or to avoid confrontation” I felt as if you worded it perfectly. Occasionally I will tell a ‘white lie’ without even realizing I’m doing so until it’s been said. Although i try to never willfully hurt people with deceit until absolutely necessary -or they deserve it-. I agreed with a majority of your response and found it very well written.
Hi Ryan, I strongly connect with the idea of hiding when you're having a bad day. I agree that I don't want to bring others moods down and thus I do subtly deceive other without any malicious intent. I really like the irony in the example you chose as well where the grandmother gets eaten and then the wolf gets killed anyways. Great work!
DeleteHey Ryan,
DeleteYou made a really good point when you said "We often deceive others without even being aware." It's funny how many lies we can tell each day without noticing, because usually the lies are small or not very important. Another thing I connected with is when you talked about having a bad day and trying to hide it to keep from bring others down. I realized when I read this that I do this a lot too, and it's usually out of kindness, never to keep huge secrets from people.
It seems to me, both in reading the comments of everyone who have answered before me, and in miscellaneous discussion I’ve had on a similar topic in the past, is everyone agrees that deceit is inevitable in human relationships.
ReplyDeleteExamples of this can be found in real life and the musical in, at the very least, the form of white lies (lies told to spare someone from hurt feelings, or of more hurt than the truth would cause), such as telling someone you’re busy when you really just don’t feel like doing something at a particular place or time, or with a particular person, at the moment of being asked. I do not know of anyone who has not done that, or at least something like it in the past. Now, in the musical, cases of deceit are exaggerated, being that it’s fictive, with examples like the Mysterious Man not telling the Baker about their relation, and the Baker’s Wife and Cinderella’s Prince not intending to come forward about their affair, without the latter being prompted (though the former is arguable, since she dies before being capable of admitting the truth).
Now, personally, I believe the more fascinating question, on the topic of deceit, to be: when is deceit acceptable? (I ask that both in regards to real life, and the musical). Some believe that if it is to prevent another from being harmed, deceit can be, and should be, applied to the situation. But, others believe that lying, even to spare others grief, is wrong, and that it is robbing the person being deceived of their dignity, and prevents them from acting freely. Is it the intent behind deception, or the act of deception itself, that is immoral? Personally, I am undecided, as I can see the points made by both sides, but I would love to hear others’ thoughts on the subject.
(I should add that this was made by Tiernan, as I forgot to not that in the initial posting)
DeletePowerful Tiernan. You have given deep insight and have provoked thought in me. I like how you have raised the ethical measures that we place on deceit.
DeleteHey guys, it’s Evan,
ReplyDeleteThe entire plot of this musical is based on the idea of deceit, and will therefore have many great examples. My favourite involves my character, Jack, and the Baker, when they meet in the woods. Jack is trying to sell his cow, Milky White, by deceiving potential buyers such as the Baker into thinking that the cow produces lots of milk, when in reality, it’s been dry for weeks. At the same time, the Baker was deceiving Jack by convincing him that he was trading “magic beans” which he didn’t believe could truly be magic (even though they were in reality but that’s not the point). At the time, they both thought they were tricking the other and getting a good deal. Oftentimes people will tell lies to protect the feelings of people they care about which was talked about a lot and is generally a socially acceptable way to lie. The example I’ve given here shows the other main condition under which people deceive one another, being for personal benefit, even if it’s at someone else’s expense. I’ve done it before and I’m sure so has everyone else. The moral implications of this type of deceit is very subjective, and is different with every case. In general, I think it’s okay to tell a white lie for your own benefit as long as you don’t do it at someone else’s sake. All in all, people will always deceive one another in one way or another, but it’s up to you to judge whether or not it’s morally acceptable in the particular case.
HI Evan. I really liked in your response how you called protecting other peoples feelings a "socially acceptable way to lie" because it's completely true. I and many others have probably all told small lies to protect our friends feelings and generally people don't get mad when you do that. Greta work!
DeleteHey Evan,
DeleteI really liked the way you talked about leaving things up to better judgement because sometimes, things aren't so black and white. We sometimes need to do things based off of our own moral compasses and I'm glad you touched on that. Good job with this! :)
-Brandon H
I found that when you stated that “…people deceive one another, being for personal benefit, even if it’s at someone else’s expense” was accurate with a downfall that isn’t really that big. I find that the idea is based on the idea that most people will do different actions for their own benefits. The idea of people is that most are self-centred the only thing I could say is possibly incorrect is that you are making it constant. I mean perhaps this is the case but for me there is no way of knowing for certain.
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ReplyDeleteHi! It's Caleb
ReplyDeleteI believe this quote is true and that deceit is inevitable in human relationships, but depending on the extent of the actions. Even if it's not on a large scale a few white lies are next to impossible to avoid. I know I personally have definitely lied to get out of plans I didn't really wanna take part in, but in the end it was really to protect the other persons feelings and keep the relationship healthy. Generally these white lies are used to create short term benefit immediately. Another example of these white lies in the musical "Into the Woods" are when the Baker lies to Jack and says one day he could buy the cow back. The Baker decides in that moment to say Jack could buy the cow back to spare the boys feelings and to ensure that he would secure the sale, because the Baker knew he needed that cow. If the baker had not lied it's possible that Jack would have kept the cow and the potion could have never been made. Thus. the white lie was unavoidable for the Baker in that moment.
Continuing, in human relationships even larger deceitful actions can occur. An example that was born out of hate is when the stepmother lied to Cinderella about being allowed to go to the ball if she picked up the lentils. This action of deceit was only used to get Cinderella's hopes up and crush them. I believe that acts of deceit born out of hate such as this one are very different and completely avoidable if they wanted to be kind, or at least civil.
Thus, through my personal experience and the musical "Into the Woods" we see that deceit is inevitable in human relationships based on how intense the actions are.
Hi it's Brandon!
ReplyDeleteAfter reading the quote I believe it to be true. In our day to day lives we exchange little lies even if we might not even realize it at first. I know personally that I have done it countless times and thinking back to them we don't exactly know why we do it. Bigger acts of deceit or bigger lies are something we see quite a lot more present within Into the Woods. Between Cinderella & Cinderella's Prince we see that the prince can be very deceitful. They break things off after she finds out he cheated on her and they didn't try and fix things to try and stay together. Why I believed this happened is because they truly hadn't gotten to know each other yet. They only met at a ball and danced for 3 nights in a row and the following day got married. With doing this, Cinderella didn't get to know her prince and what his personality was really like. When there was one sign of a faltering within the relationship, they broke things off. In longer and healthier relationships, each person knows one another a lot better and want to do everything they can to keep that relationship going strong. In conclusion, deceit can happen in every relationship however if the relationship isn't strong or one person isn't willing to work at things, then the relationship will crumble.
When looking through the text I’ve found that when you claimed that “…deceit can happen… however if the relationship isn't strong…, then the relationship will crumble.” That might be the case for most of the instances but there might have been some instances that those people have managed to sustain their relationships. The very idea of a relation is for a group of people. Although lies might poison your relations you still have a relation or an opinion on that person. The idea of crumbling is in my belief to be a little over exaggerated although if you didn’t make it a constant by adding ‘will’ then I will say that is a lot more accurate than when you stated that every relation with downfalls will crumble.
DeleteHey Brandon!
DeleteI loved how you opened your opinion with "In our day to day lives we exchange little lies even if we might not even realize..." This spoke to me because I think that we can all agree to it. It's human nature to not want to hurt people but it can come off unintentionally and hurt those on the other end.
Excellent job :)
-Bryn!
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ReplyDeleteHi, it’s camryn. I believe that deceit is inevitable in human relationships, you are always going to tell little white lies or persuade people by fibbing a little bit. Quite often people also will stretch the truth or over exaggerate to make things sound more interesting or thrilling. So I believe that deceit is very hard to avoid. Just because someone may tell a lie every so often, doesn’t mean they are bad people or anything, everyone tells lies sometimes and it’s not always bad. In some ways deceit can be a good thing. A personal experience I have had with deceit is when my family was throwing a surprise party for my mom. We had to convince her that we needed to pick up something at the post office so we could get her out of the house. She was skeptical so we had to make up some lies to convince her nothing was going on. That is an example of when deceit could be used in a good manner. Overall, I think that the presence of deceit is inevitable and that deceit doesn’t always have to be a negative thing.
ReplyDeletehey camryn,
DeleteI totally agree with what you said how sometimes you can be persuaded into deceiving someone because i wrote about that too. I also liked how you added that it doesn't always mean you're a bad person and that there are ways to deceive people in good ways that wouldn't necessarily hurt them.
-Keira
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ReplyDeleteHi it's Bryn.
ReplyDeleteI think that deceit is definitely inevitable in human relationships. There have been so many times when we hear about relationships between either friends or spouses that end up breaking because it ends up where one person deceives the other. Into the Woods introduces us to many different scenarios where deceit becomes an active participant. A specific example is when a group of the characters sacrifices my character, the narrator, to the giant saying that I'm the one he's looking for when in reality they are bending the truth. This isn't the greatest example but I think it's a good way to explain it simply.
As for personal experiences, I am guilty for deceiving others but then again, who isn't? I hate lying to people and I think that I am an honest person most of the time but truthfully none of us are saints.
To conclude, deceit is inevitable. As human beings we have evolved in so many ways, but again there are still things we need to work on making better.
Hey Bryn!!
DeleteYour example for deceit in this musical is a very good one. When I first saw this part of the production I was very shocked that almost all of the characters turned on the narrator and lied to get out of something! It really shows the big differences between the deceit in the story and deceit in your life. You are a very honest person and rarely tell lies in real life, which I think is unfair that your character gets treated so poorly in this production. :(
I also think that deceit is inevitable. the fact that we are evolved, yet still so flawed as a human race is something that stood out to me. We can always improve ourselves, even if we think we cant.
DeleteAlso, there is nobody on this planet that hasn't told a little lie. When you said "...truthfully none of us are saints", i completely agree with that. None of us are perfect, and we deceive to show that.
Hey, it's Sydney.
ReplyDeleteI think that no matter how loyal a person is, or how truthful someone is, deceit will always be a factor in human relationships. Some cases worse than others, but most of the time when someone is considered trustworthy and honest, they are still little things that they lie about or things that we keep to ourselves. Not everyone likes to share EVERYTHING about themselves, I definitely don't, and maybe in order to keep some things private in our lives we need to be deceitful and dishonest. But only to a certain extent. It's also good to keep in mind that relationships are about opening up about yourself, and sharing things that your not comfortable sharing, but feel that you should. Being honest in relationships is the key to having good relationship! In this musical, there are many characters that could be defined as deceitful, some more than others. I think the main one that keeps popping into my head is Cinderella's Prince. He is already a character that is very full of himself so it is not surprising that he of all people would cheat on his wife, Cinderella. The wolf is another very deceitful character when lying about his identity to get Little Red Riding Hood close enough to eat her. In my personal experience, I will admit that I am not 100% truthful all the time, and I think that at times that can be acceptable. In certain situations there are things that people shouldn't know or don't have to know about me, and to get around those things I sometimes lie. Though I do try and be honest when I really need to be. Loyalty should always be an important factor in relationships.
Hi Sydney! It really struck me how you mentioned that sometimes people can be deceitful to keep things private, and not reveal every detail in their lives. I hadn't thought about it that way before, but I totally agree! We can't always feel comfortable enough to be totally open with others, especially if they are somebody who you haven't known very long. And while honesty and loyalty are extremely important in any type of relationship, we all have to build up to the point where we feel comfortable enough to be completely honest, and before you reach that point you may sometimes need to be a little bit deceitful.
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Hey Sydney it's Erin, It really made me think when you said even the most truthful person could be deceitful and how being deceitful is kinda inevitable because no one really want to share everything about themselves.
DeleteHey its Erin, deceit is in almost every human relationships but it depends on how far one person would go to withhold the truth from someone. In the musical it is shown to an extreme one example being the witch hiding Rapunzel in a tower to keep her away from her brother, to a lesser extent Cinderella dress up all fancy and going to the ball because from our knowledge she doesn't tell the prince who she really is but she doesn't lie and call her a princess. Deceit is a tricky thing because some people with us it for personal gain but some will us to so they don't hurt a person's feelings
ReplyDeletePersonal gain... I like where you are going with that. Because it is a selfish thing to do, to deceive, isn't it? We lie, cheat, steal for the interest of our own, and when put into relationship, often means they weren't worth enough to you to keep that relationship going. They only had their interests in mind. However, if that's the case, they wouldn't be worth keeping around either. Got me thinking.
Deletehi Erin,
DeleteI like how you stated that deceit is in all our relationships but it just depends how far you are willing to go. This is a good way to get people thinking about their morals and what they're willing to do, whether it be hurting someone or have them or you gain something from deceiving them.
-Keira
Sabrina here,
ReplyDeleteI do believe that deceit is unavoidable. We are human, its what we do, make mistakes. Anything from little whit lies by saying someone looks good in an unflattering dress to complete betrayal, it happens all the time.
Although, cheating is avoidable, as well as the deceit that would come along with it. When the bakers wife and Cinderellas prince have their moment in the woods, that is unacceptable, and completely avoidable had either of them simply said no. The fact that the bakers wife died right after means there was little deceit for the baker, but it caused Cinderella to break things off with him. Again, it all could have been avoided quite simply.
In my experiences, I have definitely lied. Again, its just something we humans do. To get out of trouble, or to not hurt someones feelings, that sort of thing.
So, I believe little, unharmful forms of deceit are unavoidable in a relationship. especially early on. But Something like backstabbing or cheating can completely be avoided, if you aren't a crappy person yourself.
Hi everybody, Eve here!
ReplyDeleteI believe that whether or not deceit is preventable or inevitable in every relationship depends on your definition of the word. If white lies are considered deceit, then it is inevitable in every relationship. We all tell white lies, whether we want to or not- It could be as simple as saying 'I'm on my way!' when you haven't yet left the house; It's bound to happen to all of us in all of our relationships at one point or another. However, some would not consider this deceit, and would consider only larger deceitful actions, that are meant specifically to harm somebody else or that could possible hurt somebody else in a large way, deceitful. If this was the case, that means that although we will all encounter deceit at least once (and most likely multiple times) in our lives, it doesn't mean we'll encounter it in every relationship. For example, in the musical, the Baker's wife deceives Jack by convincing him that the beans she and her husband exchange for Milky White are indeed magic; However, at this point in the musical, she had no idea they were magic, only that they belonged to the witch. But because she was in desperate need of the cow, she tricked him into thinking they were magical. And even though the beans did end up being magic, this does not make the Baker's wife's actions any less deceitful. However, this doesn't mean that Jack will encounter deceit in all of his relationships. For example, although his mother may not always be the kindest to him, she is always honest about what she thinks and the living situation they are in. She does not sugarcoat the fact that they have no food to eat when she gets him to sell Milky White- So, Jack may have encountered deceit in his lifetime, but not in all of his relationships. (Unless, of course, you believe the first definition is a more accurate definition of the word 'deceit'. It's a very arguable point.)
hi guys it's Keira,
ReplyDeleteI think that the presence of deceit is in fact inevitable within relationships. No matter how much you could love or value someone sometimes the unexpected happens and either you deceive them someway that you never meant to hurt them in or you are forced to deceive them because of how much you love them. It is said that you do crazy things for love and some people are willing to stop at nothing to do things for the person they care about, even if it ended up hurting themselves or the person it was for. The question you need to ask yourself is if it's worth it or not. You see many examples of this in the play. For example, the Baker and his wife were willing to do anything so that they could have a child, but was it all worth it in the end?
Hi Keira. I liked how you connected the idea of deceit to the baker and his wife wanting to have a child. In the end they ended up in trouble because of it. I also agreed with when you said sometimes you love someone so much that you deceive them because of it. Good work!
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